[Śyāmasundara aside to tape: November 29 th on the road to Gokula]
Dr. Kapoor: …the pastimes. Otherwise it should have been…
Prabhupāda: Tape recording was not good.
Dr. Kapoor: It was not [indistinct].
[break] That parikramā by Prabhupāda in 1932, you were there?
Prabhupāda: Not all. I simply… I think you were also there.
Indian man: I was there. My mother was there. I was initiated in Rādhākuṇḍa, you know. I was initiated…
Prabhupāda: Ah. I went there, Koṣi.
Dr. Kapoor: You joined at Koṣi? I see. That was a wonderful thing.
Prabhupāda: Oh, yes.
Dr. Kapoor: Such a parikramā has never been organized after that.
Prabhupāda: That is not possible.
Dr. Kapoor: Not possible. [break] [arrival at new location] [Hindi] Very old city. [Hindi]
Prabhupāda: Go to Daujī or Gokula? [break] Hindi.
Śyāmasundara: What is Daujī?
Prabhupāda: Daujī is Lord Krsna…, Balarāma.
Indian man: Balarāma. Lord Kṛṣṇa’s elder brother.
Śyāmasundara: His birthplace?
Prabhupāda: Balarāma. [Hindi]
Śyāmasundara: What is this place, Prabhupāda? Is this where Balarāma was born? Balarāma was born here? Or He had some pastimes?
Prabhupāda: No, it is a temple of Balarāma.
Śyāmasundara: Ah. [break]
Guide: This place is the place of maternal uncle of Lord Balarāma, and He was born here. This is the place of maternal uncle. [Hindi explanation] [indistinct comments by devotees]
Dr. Kapoor: Birthplace of Balarāma
Prabhupāda: Birthplace of Balarāma. You are our paṇḍā.
Dr. Kapoor: Yes, I am your paṇḍā. [laughter] I am trying to be your paṇḍā.
Prabhupāda: Doctor paṇḍā. [laughter] [break]
Śyāmasundara: [in bus again] Did Nanda and Yaśodā live here first?
Dr. Kapoor: Who?
Śyāmasundara: Nanda and Yaśodā?
Dr. Kapoor: In Gokula. That is where we are going now.
Śyāmasundara: Then why was Lord Balarāma born here?
Dr. Kapoor: This is the maternal uncle’s place, and He was born here.
Śyāmasundara: Oh, maternal uncle’s place. I see.
Prabhupāda: Ah, Śyāmasundara?
Śyāmasundara: Yes, Prabhupāda?
Prabhupāda: What our money is being paid by him, you return it.
Śyāmasundara: Oh, yes.
Dr. Kapoor: [laughs] He only paid five rupees. [laughs]
[kīrtana] [break] [Hindi]
Prabhupāda: Lord Kṛṣṇa showed the whole universe within His mouth.
Śyāmasundara: Ah. [laughs]
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: They’re looking for the driver, Prabhupāda. Right now he is not in the bus. [to devotee:] Can you blow the horn? [horn sounds loudly]
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Here he comes. Here he comes.
Śyāmasundara: Brahma-kuṇḍa is in Gokula itself? Hmm. Kṛṣṇa was raised in Gokula.
Prabhupāda: [Hindi] [break] Yes. London, it is always gloomy. You cannot find such bright sun; very rarely.
Dr. Kapoor: Very rarely.
Prabhupāda: Now it is December, snowfall there.
[break] Early in the morning at ten o’clock, and evening, half-past three. Only, say, about five or six hours day, and eighteen hours night, nowadays.
Dr. Kapoor: Yet it is so healthy there.
Dr. Kapoor: Yet the days are healthier, even though you have too little sun. [break]
Prabhupāda: …meat and drink liquor. That's there. According to Āyurveda, if anyone eats meat he flourishes in growing skin.
Dr. Kapoor: Skin, ah. [break]
Prabhupāda: We have got better brain, undoubtedly. [break]
Śyāmasundara: This is where Kṛṣṇa used to live, in this very place?
Dr. Kapoor: Kṛṣṇa used to live in Gokula. Gokula is very near, I think.
Śyāmasundara: Oh, this is not Gokula.
Prabhupāda: Here He used to come to play. [break] So why not take bath here?
Devotee: You will take bath, Prabhupāda? You can take bath in the Yamunā?
Prabhupāda: Why not? It is very cold?
Devotee: No, no. It is not… [break]
Prabhupāda: Here Kṛṣṇa used to eat dirt while playing, and His friend, will complained to mother, "Oh, your son is eating dirt." "Kṛṣṇa, You are eating dirt?" "No, they are enemies; they are telling lies. This morning we had some quarrel, so they have become My enemies and are telling lies." [laughter] And they charged again, "No, He has taken. He has taken. We have seen." "All right, open Your mouth. I want to see." And as soon as Kṛṣṇa opened His mouth, she saw whole universe within; therefore brahmaṇe. [break]
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: What is the program here, Prabhupāda?
Prabhupāda: If you like, you can take your bath. [break] We go to the Yamunā.
Indian devotee: Come on now, come with me. Sarasvatī, come with me. Take your bath here.
Prabhupāda: Is it very cold?
Sarasvatī: Very cold!
Śyāmasundara: Is it cold?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Warm.
Śyāmasundara: It's warm, they say.
Prabhupāda: Huh? Cold. [laughter]
Dr. Kapoor: Early morning is warm. Early morning about four o’clock, when you have bath…
Prabhupāda: Cold water for me is not good.
Dr. Kapoor: Should I make some arrangement to bring some water for you, Prabhupāda, if that is possible?
Prabhupāda: How can you? That is not possible. No, no, no. We can wash our head.
[break] [Hindi] [break] [sounds of water splashing and devotees bathing]
Śyāmasundara: [to Sarasvatī] Take your pants off.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Everything they can do, they add an extra rupee.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Everything they do, they will add a rupee.
Śyāmasundara: It’s his river? He’s charging? [break]
Prabhupāda: Why don’t you take bath, eh?
Śyāmasundara: Yes. Everyone should take.
Indian man: Śyāmasundara is going to… [break]
Sarasvatī: …want to go down here?
Prabhupāda: She is going the other side.
Sarasvatī: Go down here.
Śyāmasundara: Will you come too?
Prabhupāda: [to Sarasvatī] Take all bath. Take bath. Śyāmasundara?
Śyāmasundara: She took. She took a bath.
Śyāmasundara: Yes, right there. She took a bath up to her waist.
Prabhupāda: Everything all right? If you take bath like this daily, all jaundice and everything will go away.
Śyāmasundara: Should I give her complete bath, Prabhupāda? Should I give Sarasvatī complete bath?
Prabhupāda: Why not? [laughter] [break] All go to the bus.
Śyāmasundara: Okay, everyone to the bus.
Sarasvatī: I want to bathe.
Śyāmasundara: No, too late now.
Prabhupāda: ...standing here. You can pay... Oh, Kṣīrodakśāyī! Kṣīrodakśāyī! [Hindi]
Kṣīrodakśāyī: Śyāmasundara! Hey, Śyāma! [devotees calling]
Prabhupāda: Give him five rupees. [Hindi—some bargaining takes place] For this botheration, no gentleman will come here. They are losing their business, but still they will do.
Dr. Kapoor: They will never be satisfied with whatever you give—whatever you give.
Śyāmasundara: They make it so that you don’t want to come back.
Śyāmasundara: The government can't do anything.
[Hindi discussion about āśīrvāda] [indistinct comments by devotees] [break]
Prabhupāda: Kīrtana, kīrtana. [break]
Dr. Kapoor: This is the place where, while playing with His friends, Lord Kṛṣṇa took some earth in His mouth, and when He went back, Lord Balarāma told Yaśodā-mātā that "Kṛṣṇa has taken some earth in His mouth." He said, "No, I have not taken any earth. Because these people, I defeated them by playing, so they are complaining against Me."
And then Lord Balarāma told Yaśodā-mātā, "You see inside the mouth of Lord Kṛṣṇa." And when Yaśodā-mātā saw inside the mouth, she found that all the Brahmās and, I mean, Brahmā, they were inside the mouth of Lord Kṛṣṇa. Therefore this ghat, this river ghat, is known as Brahmāṇḍa ghat.
Prabhupāda: You can bathe here. [break] …kīrtana and let us go. [kīrtana] [break]
Śyāmasundara: [in bus] Vṛndāvana is up the river in that direct…? Vṛndāvana is up the river that way?
Dr. Kapoor: Yes.
Śyāmasundara: And where did Yaśodā and Nanda’s house…? [break] Kṛṣṇa used to walk here from His house?
Prabhupāda: Yes. Playing with His boyfriends.
Śyāmasundara: How far away was His house? Miles?
Prabhupāda: Maybe a hundred miles. [laughter] [devotees shout obeisances as bus leaves]
Dr. Kapoor: It special you see, like [indistinct]. So the material conception of distance and time doesn’t apply, you see, and the Vṛndāvana is always in the service of Kṛṣṇa, you see? So when it is necessary that a particular place is a hundred miles from the feet of Kṛṣṇa, it will be hundred miles, and when it is necessary it should be only hundred feet, it is hundred feet. Do you follow?
Prabhupāda: Kṛṣṇa is Yogeśvara.
Dr. Kapoor: He is Yogeśvara, you see?
Prabhupāda: And by His mystic power He can do everything.
Dr. Kapoor: Kṛṣṇa is not subject to time and space, you see, but time and space serve Kṛṣṇa, you see? It is absolutely different from what it is here. Yes. We have to submit to time and space, but in the case of Kṛṣṇa, time and space have to submit to Him. You see? [break] This is what you call bajra, grain. What do you call it in…? I don’t know. [break]
Prabhupāda: [Hindi] [break]
Śyāmasundara: What is that? Something is carried?
Prabhupāda: From there. Kṛṣṇa was carried from Kaṁsa's... [Hindi]
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: So this is where He was first taken, Prabhupāda? [break] [loud Hindi]
Prabhupāda: [Hindi discussion]
Śyāmasundara: This isn’t Gokula?
Prabhupāda: This is not original Gokula.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: No. That’s Kṣīrodakśāyī wanted to go. Yes, this is not the original.
Prabhupāda: Then why they have brought us? [Hindi argument]
Devotee: They say one-minute walk from Gokula.
Prabhupāda: Three miles, four miles. We have come to Gokula. [break]
Śyāmasundara: Where is Gokula?
Dr. Kapoor: Gokula is from here a one-mile walk.
Śyāmasundara: One-mile walk? Oh, one-minute walk.
Dr. Kapoor: Not one minute, one mile.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: He’s saying one mile.
Devotee: Is Prabhupāda going to have to walk one mile?
Prabhupāda: We have come to see Gokula. It may be one mile or two miles… Why you have brought me…? Why we have been brought here?
Devotee: Why have we come here?
Dr. Kapoor: That is also Ballabhācārya's birthplace.
Prabhupāda: That may be, but we want to see the original Gokula.