Prabhupāda: ...and they would all come to our place in procession, and we shall feed them. This program should be started immediately. And so that the whole day and night this nuisance will go on.
Gurudāsa: Maybe we should occupy the L.I.C. grounds in Delhi with kīrtana.
Gurudāsa: We should occupy the L.I.C. grounds in Delhi with kīrtana?
Prabhupāda: No... No, you are jumping over... Now, the question is in Bombay. Why you are jumping in Delhi?
Gurudāsa: But they asked us in L.I.C. the same thing. They asked us to leave L.I.C. grounds because the kīrtana was nuisance.
Prabhupāda: No, that's all right. That chapter is now...
Gurudāsa: I see.
Prabhupāda: ...in prominence.
[aside:] Don't come near.
Devotee: We could go to the... [break]
Prabhupāda: ...that they're planning the same plan as they did. This is the preliminary sign.
Gupta: Swami Mahārāja, our program should enter the streets in the houses of different people, and saṅkīrtana should be start from there, and...
Prabhupāda: So do it. So don't speak; now organize. Now there is no question of speaking. Practical. Everyone should take a leading part, and the saṅkīrtana nuisance should be started from Bombay. So Balavanta Prabhu, you are taking?
Prabhupāda: Yes. [break] ...assistants selected, so many sannyāsīs, and do it. You take the leaders.
Balavanta: Yes. [break]
Prabhupāda: That is intelligence. [break] And we shall pollute the whole world with this nuisance.
Devotees: Jaya. Haribol. [breaks]
Prabhupāda: ...become an exemplary gosvāmī to give fight to the gosvāmīs here. You are..., how many years you are in Vṛndāvana? Huh? How many years you are here?
Gurudāsa: Two and half years.
Prabhupāda: Two and a half years. Now you should represent Rūpa Gosvāmī, and you should challenge them, "You are not gosvāmī; I am gosvāmī." But you have to be exemplary. Do you know what is the definition of gosvāmī?
Gurudāsa: One who works hard for Kṛṣṇa day and night and one who controls his senses.
Prabhupāda: Yes. That is the first thing. Vāco vegaṁ krodha-vegam udara-vegam upastha-vegaṁ manasa-vegam, etān vegān yo viṣaheta dhīraḥ pṛthivīṁ sa śiṣyāt [NoI 1]. One who can control these kinds of urges, vāco vegam, talking nonsense---that is called vāco vegam. Krodha-vegam, anger. Urges of the mind. Mind dictates, "Do this, do that." Then udara-vegam, eating vegam. "Eat more, more, more." Udara-vegam. Upastha-vegam: genital. When one can control these six vegān, urges, then he is fit for becoming gosvāmī, and he can make śiṣya all over---śiṣya, disciple---all over the world. Pṛthivīṁ sa śiṣyāt. This is gosvāmī. Not that a business. [Hindi] Is there any mention Bhāgavata-saptāha in the Bhāgavatam? There are so many big, big commentators. They have never recommended. But this business is going on. They are holding Bhāgavata-saptāha and bringing money and employing it for the sons', daughters' marriage very opulently. And the..., their supporters, they're also invited. They say, "Oh, here is a gosvāmī." This is going on here. [break] ...of gosvāmī, there is not a single gosvāmī. At least visible. Where is that vāco vegaṁ krodha-vegam udara upastha-vegam [NoI 1] control? And where is that pṛthivīṁ sa śiṣyāt, all worldwide?
Gurudāsa: Yes, disciples...
Prabhupāda: [chuckles] Ah, where is that? Śiṣya.
Devotee: You are.
Prabhupāda: I may be whatever I am. That's all. But this is the definition of gosvāmī. Besides that, there are other, many things.
lokānāṁ hita-kāriṇau tri-bhuvane mānyau śaraṇyākarau
lokānāṁ hita-kāriṇau tri-bhuvane mānyau śaraṇyākarau
So nānā-śāstra-vicāraṇa. One must be very conversant all kinds of śāstras. And what for? For establishing real religion. Real religion is this = sarva-dharmān parityajya mām ekaṁ śaraṇaṁ vraja [Bg. 18.66]. Why there are other religions existing? That means there is no gosvāmīs. Gosvāmī... If there is gosvāmī, he should stop functioning all other rascal religions. Simply this = mām ekaṁ śaraṇaṁ vraja, that religion. That is religion. And all bogus thing. A gosvāmī has to prove that. Nānā-śāstra-vicāraṇaika-ni..., lokānāṁ hita-kāriṇau. Why? For the benefit of the whole human society. Therefore they should be honored. Tri-bhuvane mānyau. Not that within some neighborhood. All over the world. Tri-bhuvane. That is gosvāmī. What is this gosvāmī? Tri-bhuvane mānyau śaraṇyākarau. He is fit to take shelter of. A cheating gosvāmī, cheating gosvāmī is no good.
Gurudāsa: I also... I also, the first day checked the pāṇḍā out because he wouldn't eat prasādam with us. He said, "I am Vaiṣṇava. I cannot eat amongst you." So I said, "Then we cannot hear from you. Go immediately." The first day.
Prabhupāda: Hmm. That's all right.
Devotee: He wanted to go and have tea. [break]
Prabhupāda: ...money, but not your prasāda.
Prabhupāda: Money's pure. [laughter] And prasāda, because it is offered to Kṛṣṇa, it is impure. Just see their argument. Money is pure. Even you can give me with your hand as much as you like. Because it is pure, I'll take it. And so far prasāda is concerned, because it is offered to Kṛṣṇa, therefore I cannot take it. [break] Oh, yes. She has got the power. Shaktimati Sar. Some... The police commissioner has remarked, "This bhajana is nuisance." So we have to agitate. There are so many Vaiṣṇavas. Bhajana is nuisance? Eh?
Indian lady: It's my life.
Prabhupāda: So there must be some big agitation to drive away this man. The demand should be that "This man should be immediately removed. He has focused a sarcastic remark on a very pure religious system." This movement should be started. He must be removed immediately.
Balavanta: We can hold protest marches downtown.
Prabhupāda: Yes, yes.
Gurudāsa: Large. Large-scale protest marches.
Balavanta: All the Vaiṣṇavas will come with us.
Prabhupāda: Yes. You have to organize all... There are many Vaiṣṇavas. Huh? In the Bhagavad-gītā it is said, satataṁ kīrtayanto mām [Bg. 9.14] = one has to chant "Kṛṣṇa" always. Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu = kīrtanīyaḥ sadā hariḥ [Cc. Ādi 17.31]. And this rascal is saying "Nuisance." So it is not possible to invoke an agitation against this? What right he has got to say nuisance? He could have spoken in a sweet language, that "The bhajana may be very good for the devotees, but it creates disturbance to the others. Therefore we cannot allow." I say like that. But they cannot still stop bhajana. But he has remarked the bhajana: "Nuisance." This very word will kill him if you make proper agitation.
Gurudāsa: That means the whole government is feeling that way. Otherwise he would not feel strong in saying it.
Prabhupāda: That is a fact, but we have to become strong.
Gurudāsa: Yes. We must defeat them all.
Balavanta: We can mainly single out him.
Balavanta: We can mainly single him out for now and protest against him, make him the example.
Gurudāsa: Make an example of him.
Balavanta: [aside, explaining to others:] The man in Bombay, government leader. He's a nuisance.
Prabhupāda: There are many parties in Bombay, kīrtana parties. You have to organize them and bring them. Chant Hare Kṛṣṇa everywhere. Create this nuisance. And Maharashtra is the country of Tukaram. He organized kīrtana. Still the Tukaram kīrtana parties are there. Viṭṭhala. Viṭṭhala means Kṛṣṇa. An ideal gosvāmī should remain here to challenge these false gosvāmīs. But if you also become false, then you cannot challenge. [break] ...ducks have come, we can talk with them. Mr. Gupta, your batakhs, they have come. [aside:] Hare Kṛṣṇa! Jayo. [Hindi]
[break] ...have sufficient quantity of grains, then you are dhanavān. This is all false, so-called dhanavān. [Hindi conversation] Annād bhavanti bhūtāni [Bg. 3.14]. If you want to flourish, you must have sufficient grains. Where is that grain? Some... [Hindi] Lecture. What is that lecture? Where is anna? [break] [Hindi] This is going on. [describes in Hindi how Bhāgavatam describes the present government leaders as dogs, hogs, camels and asses, amongst other topics] Harer nāma harer nāma harer nāma eva kevalam [Cc. Ādi 17.21]. This is the only... [Hindi conversation] Our movement is Hare Kṛṣṇa movement. Everyone knows. [Hindi conversation with Indian lady continues for some time]
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: Just like Dhṛtarāṣṭra, Śrīla Prabhupāda.
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: Just like Dhṛtarāṣṭra. Still they are told that Kṛṣṇa is God, and they still do not heed the warning.
Prabhupāda: Let them accept at least like Dhṛtarāṣṭra. That is also good. Therefore Dhṛtarāṣṭra was saved at the end, in spite of so many things. By the help of Vidura, he left home and became successful, because he believed in Kṛṣṇa, that "Kṛṣṇa is God, yes. But I cannot control myself." He admitted his deficiency. Therefore he was liberated. Svalpam apy asya dharmasya trāyate mahato bhayāt [Bg. 2.40]. Because he admitted Kṛṣṇa is God, therefore at the end he was liberated. Mahato bhayāt.
Bhāgavata: But Duryodhana would not admit.
Bhāgavata: But Duryodhana would not. Even though Kṛṣṇa showed His universal form, Duryodhana still did not agree.
Prabhupāda: No, Duryodhana also agreed. All of them got salvation. That is mentioned. Anyone who was in the Battle of Kurukṣetra, all of them got salvation. By their being killed in the battle, they all got liberation and salvation. That is stated by Bhīṣmadeva. Svarūpa. Svarūpa means they came to their original Kṛṣṇa consciousness. All of them. [japa] [break] [Hindi conversation continues for some time] Materially to get bācche [children], you require the help of husband, but spiritually you don't require anyone's help. In Kṛṣṇa only. That's all.
Bhāgavata: Jaya. [end]